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Oil spill

Discussion in 'Political Forum' started by muddy river, May 27, 2010.

  1. livnlrn Member

    I'm tired of the "Bush did it" on the left and the "if this had been Bush" on the right. I can't listen to Rush, Laura or any others when that's all they can come up with. Life isn't fair and never will be....quit your whining!

    Back to the oil spill. I'm glad Obama hasn't used this to further his green energy quest and is still supporting offshore drilling. Hopefully the oil companies will use this as a learning experience and the gov't won't use it as an excuse.
  2. tmrschessie Moderator

    Watched three people with valid methods of cleaning up the oil spill/slowing or stopping it....Neither BP or the White house would give them an audience......yet all three had great idea that they demonstrated and they worked.
  3. Willhuntforfood Well-Known Member

    Did you see the hay method? I saw a couple guys demonstrating that and was pretty amazed. Would take a lot of hay to line the coast but luckily thats something they do have in abundance down south.
  4. Shorty Active Member



  5. Willhuntforfood Well-Known Member

    Here's an idea...How about British taxpayers and the British Government chip in on the cleanup? Afterall it is a British owned and operated company.
  6. ArizonaNative Member

    Because that would limit total liability to the USA, which would limit the ability for B.O. to take over the company, put on his hard hat and play "big oil man". Or so the conspiracy theorists say...
  7. choclab Member

    I'ver been gone and just saw this post from the POPE. Nice response but there is no substance. Why don't you get some material, old or new? Why don't you think for yourself and quit being a ditto head? Better yet why do you worry so much what I think?
  8. choclab Member

    There you go listening to the radio boys again. Been done by every President. There is no scandal here at all. Just the radio boys playing to the ditto heads.

    I heard one of your radio guys saying this was the first time in history a President did not go to Arlington on Memorial day to lay a wreath. Seeems the ditto heads followers ate that up without researching the recent past. But did anyone expect more out of the ditto heads? You do realise there is more than one National Cemetary don't you? Maybe take a trip out to Mcpherson some day. Usually D Day is formally recognized on certain anniverseries not every year. Now I'm sure you were told by one of the radio heads to make sure to be critical of Obama for not going to Normandy but if you look at the past Presidents you will see they didn't go every year.
  9. Pope & Young Member

    No Substance? This coming from you....who has literally never posted anything of substance. I was asking you to list all of Obams accomplishemnts vs. playing the same old blame game & this is your response?

    Come on Choc - you have got to be real proud of your current crew...Obama, Reed & Pelosi....Just stand up and be proud and talk about the great things they are doing...that's all I am looking for out of ya!

    Unfortunately, all I will probably get back from you is the lastest excuses, blame game strategy & talking points from MSNBC. Oh well, when you got nothing that's what I would expect anyways. Just get's a little boring is all!
  10. choclab Member

    Seeems like every time you post here you go back to the same ole routine with the same ole question. I've answered it many times for you POPE. This thread has nothing to do with Obama's acomplishments. But since you can't come up with anything other than the talking points of your radio guys, and can't think on your own you come back to your same ole question. One thing I will tell you is he has not put us into the greatest economic recession and gone on tv telling us the economy is fundemntally strong. He has not invaded a country for who knows what reason now and on top of that given tax breaks to the rich. Now there is where your massive deficits are coming from POPE, but of course you'll ignore that and blame Clinton or someone else. Now go ahead and send me another of your threatening IMs. At least Muddy can argue even tho you can get his arguments off the radio. (smile) I have yet to get a threatening IM from him.
  11. Skaggs Member

    I`d like to see a list of obama`s contributions...........not gonna get into this with ya just wanna see the list ...cant imagine it will take ya very long.....................................
  12. Willhuntforfood Well-Known Member

    Here are a few of my personal faves.... The 790 billion dollar stimulus package that was basically worthless to most of us. First Hispanic Supreme Court Justice(nobody cared or cares). Him reducing the restrictions on stem cell research so that abortion farms can start operating. Anybody wanna sell a fetus? Last but not least... The Health Care Reforms.
  13. choclab Member

    Here are a few, many you won't like, one mentioned is stem cell research which someone has already said is bad.

    1. Ordered all federal agencies to undertake a study and make recommendations for ways to cut spending
    2. Ordered a review of all federal operations to identify and cut wasteful spending and practices
    3. Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women
    4. Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq
    5. Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB
    6. Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information
    7. Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier's family
    8. The White House and federal government are respecting the Freedom of Information Act
    9. Instructed all federal agencies to promote openness and transparency as much as possible
    10. Limits on lobbyist's access to the White House
    11. Limits on White House aides working for lobbyists after their tenure in the administration
    12. Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date
    13. Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren't even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan
    14. Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research
    15. Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research
    16. New federal funding for science and research labs
    17. States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards
    18. Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect
    19. Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools
    20. New funds for school construction
    21. The prison at Guantanamo Bay is being phased out
    22. US Auto industry rescue plan
    23. Housing rescue plan
    24. $789 billion economic stimulus plan
    25. The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying
    26. US financial and banking rescue plan
    27. The secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere are being closed
    28. Ended the previous policy; the US now has a no torture policy and is in compliance with the Geneva Convention standards
    29. Better body armor is now being provided to our troops
    30. The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010
    31. Restarted the nuclear nonproliferation talks and building back up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols
    32. Reengaged in the treaties/agreements to protect the Antarctic
    33. Reengaged in the agreements/talks on global warming and greenhouse gas emissions
    34. Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any president in his first six months in office
    35. Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job
    36. US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast
    37. Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles
    38. Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales
    39. Announced plans to purchase fuel efficient American-made fleet for the federal government
    40. Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children
    41. Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program
    42. Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones
    43. Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions
    44. Expanding vaccination programs
    45. Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters
    46. Closed offshore tax safe havens
    47. Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals
    48. Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back
    49.. Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry's predatory practices
    50. Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources
    51. Lower drug costs for seniors
    52. Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings
    53. Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel
    54. Improved housing for military personnel
    55. Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses
    56. Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals
    57. Increasing student loans
    58. Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program
    59. Sent envoys to Middle East and other parts of the world that had been neglected for years; reengaging in multilateral and bilateral talks and diplomacy
    60. Established a new cyber security office
    61. Beginning the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force; this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc.
    62. Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts
    63. Ordered a review of hurricane and natural disaster preparedness
    64. Established a National Performance Officer charged with saving the federal government money and making federal operations more efficient
    65. Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced
    66. Improving benefits for veterans
    67. Many more press conferences and town halls and much more media access than previous administration
    68. Instituted a new focus on mortgage fraud
    69. The FDA is now regulating tobacco
    70. Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules
    71. Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports
    72. Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons
    73. Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive
    74. Making more loans available to small businesses
    75. Established independent commission to make recommendations on slowing the costs of Medicare
    76. Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court
    77. Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans
    78. Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000
    79. Renewed loan guarantees for Israel
    80. Changed the failing/status quo military command in Afghanistan
    81. Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan
    82. New Afghan War policy that limits aerial bombing and prioritizes aid, development of infrastructure, diplomacy, and good government practices by Afghans
    83. Announced the long-term development of a national energy grid with renewable sources and cleaner, efficient energy production
    84. Returned money authorized for refurbishment of White House offices and private living quarters
    85. Paid for redecoration of White House living quarters out of his own pocket
    86. Held first Seder in White House
    87. Attempting to reform the nation's healthcare system which is the most expensive in the world yet leaves almost 50 million without health insurance and millions more under insured
    88. Has put the ball in play for comprehensive immigration reform
    89. Has announced his intention to push for energy reform
    90. Has announced his intention to push for education reform
  14. Pope & Young Member

  15. Willhuntforfood Well-Known Member

    I'd say 10 outta the 90 on there are an actual accomplishment....for some reason meeting for lunch with other country leaders, redecorating the White House, having the first Jewish Seder(separation of religion and state) and many more don't really seem like accomplishments in my opinion.

    Looks like I was off by a billion on the stimulus in my earlier post. I guess I better retract that one. Sorry I'm just really not that impressed. He promised change. Me being an average American, I thought it was going to be change for the better not the worse. As far as the oil spill goes I doubt that Obama will really have any kind of impact on what happens as far as cleanup goes. I think those decisions are better off in the hands of Ken Salazaar, USDA, and EPA for starters.
  16. knee jerk Member

    Accomplishment list (summarized)
    1. Makes a vague perfunctory statement quickly after an issue arises.
    2. Authorizes staff to watch news outlets for public response.
    3. Orders a review of original statement.
    4. Initiates a rewording of original statement for political gain.
    5. Utilizes opportunity to bash Bush.
    6. Distracts and deflects criticism with populist anger.

    Call me picky, but I expect real leadership from the President, not just perpetual campaigning.
    You don't need Rush to recognize the pattern of inability.
  17. choclab Member

    No where did I say it was mine! There you go again jumping to conclusions. It is good to see you can research on your own. Thought maybe you could not read or something to that effect. You can't even tell the truth. Train dogs my ass. You're not even man enough to discuss issues without stooping to low level threatening IMS. Next you'll probably send some sophmoric response like telling me your johnson is bigger than mine. I look forward to another lame response from the POPE.

    As for the others I said you wouldn't agree. You are entitled to your opinions as I am to mine. You may be right or I may be right. Differing opinions is what made America the great country it is.
  18. Pope & Young Member

    Choc...you seem a little sensitive so I will let it go. I am glad to see you are proud enough of the all the POTUS accomplishements to copy and paste that very "impressive" list as your response

    Also, Sorry you misunderstood my IM 6 months ago about getting together to discuss politics....didn't mean to upset you. Although I didn't ask you about dog training in my IM....the offer still stands. We can just agree to disagree on the politics and train dogs. How about it? We can always use a few more bird boys so let me know...

    Shooting fish in a barrel regards,
  19. muddy river Active Member

    Best ending to a post I've ever seen. Fan-freaking-tastic.
  20. HeadHunter Well-Known Member


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